【物质与灵性】－如是說999

Question: You have talked about attaining spirituality while being in the material world and enjoying its benefits. Is there anything one must give up to experience a higher state of being?

问： 您谈论过在物质世界中享受物质的同时也可以获得灵性。一个人是不是必须放弃一些东西才能经历更深层次的存在状态？

Sadhguru: These questions are always being asked: “If I follow a spiritual path, can I live with my family? Can I wear good clothes and eat well?” Distinguishing between material and spiritual life has come from a certain level of ignorance. The earth you walk upon, the air you breathe and the food you eat are material. The body itself is material. Can we separate whatever you refer to as the spirit in you from your body? So, how can you separate the material and the spiritual?

萨古鲁： 这类问题一直有人在 问： “ 如果我踏上灵性之路，我还能和我的家人一起生活吗？我还能身穿华丽的衣服、享受美食吗？ ” 把物质和灵性区分开来源于一定程度的无知。你脚下的土地，你吸入的空气以及你摄入的食物都是物质的，身体本身也是物质的，你能把你的身体里被称为灵性的东西和你的身体分开吗？那么你又怎能把物质和灵性分开呢？

What we need to change is not the content of our life. We need to change the context of our life. Even if you go to a Himalayan cave, you are still the same person, aren’t you? So, this is not about changing our world, we are changing the way we experience it.

我们需要改变的不是生活的内容，而是生活的背景。即使你去到喜马拉雅山洞，你依旧还是同一个人，不是吗？所以，这不是关于改变我们的世界，而是关于改变我们体验的方式。

As far as I can see, everyone is striving for happiness, everyone is striving to be free. That means every human being is seeking spirituality. A few are striving consciously, most are striving unconsciously. If you find unconscious express to it, it gets labeled as materialism. If you find conscious express to it, we call it a spiritual process. Isn’t it better to seek consciously with eyes open rather than closed?

据我所知，每个人都在努力追求幸福和自由，这就意味着每个人都在寻求灵性。一小部分人是在有意识地追求，而大部分人是无意识的。如果你是无意识地表达你的追求，那它就被贴上了 “ 物质 ” 的标签。如果是有意识地表达，我们称之为灵性。睁大眼睛有意识地寻求难道不比闭着眼睛更好吗？

Question: In times when not managing a front-row invite, the latest designer bag/car or a fancy holiday can cause stress to many, how does one justify material want when it is likely to come with much angst?

问： 在这个时代如果不能走在前沿，不能拥有最新设计的名牌包 / 车或者一个奢侈的假期，会带来很多压力，在物质欲望可能会带来过度焦虑的情况下，一个人应该如何对待物质？

Sadhguru: Essentially, every human being is trying to have a larger slice of life. If he knows only money, he is thinking of a little more money; if he knows power, a little more power; if he knows love, a little more love. But if you apply your awareness and look at it, you can clearly see that you are not seeking money, property, love or pleasure; what you are seeking is expansion. How much expansion would settle you for good? If you look at this, you can see that you are looking for infinite expansion. It is definitely time to stop and look at what is driving us like crazy, to possess more and do more because it is not the “things” that we are after. There is something within you which does not like boundaries, which is looking for a boundless experience.

萨古鲁： 从本质上来说，每个人都想要拥有更多的生活。如果一个人只知道金钱，他会想得到更多的金钱；如果他只知道权力，他会想得到更多权力；如果他只知道爱，他会渴望更多的爱。但如果你带着意识看待这些，你会清楚地看到你不是在追求金钱、财产、爱或者享乐；你所寻求的是扩张。扩张到什么程度能让你彻底停下来？如果你仔细审视，你会发现你寻求的是无限的扩张。绝对是时候停下来思考一下，到底是什么促使我们发疯似地渴望占有更多的东西，因为这些东西不是我们真正想要追求的。你的内在并不喜欢限制，你的内在所渴望的是没有局限的体验。

It is wonderful that you are seeking the infinite itself but the problem is you are seeking it in installments. You can never reach the infinite by counting 1 2 3… Unless you use the right instrument, it will not happen. If you are looking for something boundless, it has to be non-physical. The moment you seek that which is not physical, we say you are spiritual.

你追求无限本身是件好事，但问题是你在分期地追寻。数着 1 、 2 、 3 ，你绝对到达不了无限。除非你使用正确的工具，否则无限绝对不会发生。如果你追求没有界限的东西，它一定是非物质的。一旦你开始追求非物质，我们才说你是灵性的。

Question: Some critics have often termed new-age spirituality as a fad. How would you respond to them?

问： 一些批评者经常说新时代的灵性只能风靡一时。您怎样回应他们？

Sadhguru: Unfortunately, today, spirituality is the most misunderstood and misrepresented aspect of life. The way it is being presented worldwide, some of it is utterly ridiculous, a lot of it is crooked, much more of it is well-meaning but stupid. Sometime ago in the US, someone took me to a spiritual expo where they were selling spiritual bath soap, spiritual toothpaste, and what not! This is like an Indian village shandy where they sell you a root which makes you invisible. People are desperately trying to make simple situations of life mystical. Any number of things have become spiritual except the human being – that’s the whole problem.

萨古鲁： 很不幸，灵性如今已成为生活中被误解和歪曲最严重的方面。就灵性在全世界传播的方式来看，一部分是荒唐至极的，很多是扭曲的，很多是善意的，但是很愚钝。前段时间在美国，有人带我到一个灵性展会，在那里人们出售灵性浴皂、灵性牙膏等等！这就像是在一个盛产香迪啤酒的印度村庄，他们卖给你一种声称可以让你隐形的根须一样。人们如此拼命地想要把生活中简单的情形神秘化。任何东西都已成为有灵性的，唯独人类没有 —— 这是整个问题所在。

Spirituality is not about right and wrong or about God and heaven. Spirituality is about exploring the ultimate limits of who you are. Once you come here as a human being, all that is possible in this human being, every dimension that exists as “you” must be experienced, isn’t it? If you go without experiencing yourself, that’s a wasted life. If there was a possibility that every moment of your life, no matter what is happening with the outside situation, you could be bursting with ecstasy within yourself, wouldn’t you want it?

灵性不在于对错，也不在于神和天堂。灵性在于探索你终极的本质。只要你是以人类的形式来到世上，所有的可能性都存在于人类身上，你必须去体验 “ 你 ” 的每一个维度，难道不是吗？如果你不去体验你自己，你就是在浪费生命。如果存在这种可能 —— 无论外界发生什么，在你生命的每一时刻，你的内在都洋溢着极乐 —— 难道你不渴望这吗？